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Lawnmower · Oct 01, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07

would you like to see raids in GW?

If so, how would you do them so they wouldnt make the mistake that other games have done?

how many players should be able to go to one of these missions?

should it be the ultimate hard boss monster?

house of Grenth - lvl 200 god. 40-60 people to try and take him down? incredible hard.

how long should something like that take to complete? how many players should be able to go in a raid on the same time? how hard should it be? what sort of reward should it drop? how would it have endless replay value?

should it be more like a 6 hour marathon like in WoW, or a quicky experience like beating Baal in diablo?

or is raids just a bad idea for end game in pve besides farming?

Curse You · Oct 01, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

I don't think the game engine could handle 40 players all attacking one monster at the same time, in the same instance.

Also, just think of how many builds would be used. I can just picture a tonne (oh metric!) of monks: some heal, some prot, some bond, some smite, some condition remove, and some hex remove.

Scavenger Rage · Oct 01, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

LvL 20 bosses from Nightfall can already wipe a 8 person party whith no more then 3 or 4 skills (damnit argos breath) so whats the porpouse of a 60 one?!?!

Also, vs Kuunavang it is already a 24 people "raid" whith a super powerfull boss at the end...

In Guild Wars people get killed instantly if they dont pay attention....it is not like in other games where a warrior have 9000 more armor whith the SUPER armor type or an ele can have a invinssibility spell...things here are 2 fast paced for a 200lvl boss ever to exist...EVEN if there where 900 people fighting him....we would all be slaughtered....5 or 6 of us in each spell ^^

They would have to redo much of the gameplay mechanics to add some sort of raid to the game whith the same conccept it have in other games...

Latter.

Curse You · Oct 01, 2006, 11:30 PM // 23:30

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Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage

Also, vs Kuunavang it is already a 24 people "raid" whith a super powerfull boss at the end...

I didn't know that 8 + 8 = 24. I guess I missed something in grade 2 math...

Lawnmower · Oct 02, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by Curse You

I didn't know that 8 + 8 = 24. I guess I missed something in grade 2 math...

aint it 12 + 12?

i dont remember the mission but I recall something about 12 man missions - but that included henchies/npcs i think!?

Scavenger Rage · Oct 02, 2006, 12:28 AM // 00:28

I realy dont know for sure now....

OOO well, either way...12+12 or 8+8 that mission already is some sort of raid...

Latter.

Lunarhound · Oct 02, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

As far as I'm concerned Guild Wars already has "raids" (big, tough dungeons with multiple groups of players with a big boss at the end) they're just done in the Guild Wars style. If you want something like Everquest, with groups of 40 people fighting a monster for half an hour... I just don't see that happening. It doesn't fit the game play style.

Malice Black · Oct 02, 2006, 01:25 AM // 01:25

I opened this expecting...

"go play WoW" type comments..cant see how they would fit it in but I wouldnt object if they did.

Curse You · Oct 02, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48

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Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage

I realy dont know for sure now....

OOO well, either way...12+12 or 8+8 that mission already is some sort of raid...

Latter.

It's 8 + 8 = 16
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Unwakin..._%28Mission%29

The one with bigger parties is Alliance battles, which are 12 vs 12, or Elite missions with just 12.

lyra_song · Oct 02, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

"Awaiting party formation"

10 minutes later

"Awaiting party formation"

um... /no

SilentVex · Oct 02, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

I think this was why anet made the 12 person elite missions, keeping the concentration on player skill rather than pure numbers. In all honesty, GW could handle a 40 person mission graphically (they'd just use the 1/2 res player textures and low lod models like they do in towns, they'd maybe have to tone down some of the particle effects as well...), it's just a matter of whether they'd want to.

/doesn't pve, so doesn't care

Knightsaber Sith · Oct 02, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

/notsigned

If you're going to make a suggestion; outline what you are suggesting. You asked 12 questions and made two statements. Posing a series of questions doesn't tell anyone what YOU are suggesting nor what you want.

The elite missions are likely about as close as GW will get to a raid.

TheBaron82 · Oct 02, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

/notsigned

If you're going to make a suggestion; outline what you are suggesting. You asked 12 questions and made two statements. Posing a series of questions doesn't tell anyone what YOU are suggesting nor what you want.

The elite missions are likely about as close as GW will get to a raid.

I agree and elite mish are not worth doing, even if they're double drops. I think Anet should improve them such that at the end stage it is really worth fighting. 4x drops if they have to, since during the double drop only 1 of us actually found a gold item.

bigwig · Oct 02, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Lawnmower, is it my imagination, or do the majority of your suggestions have something to do with other games? Assassins Creed, WoW, Half-life, and I'm sure the list goes on. While I'm not against taking ideas from other games, at least keep it within the realm of reality.